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PostSubject: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 9:08 am

Senator Fraser Anning is at the bottom of a political pile-on.
I cannot believe the disgusting crap so many politicians are going on with now turning something someone says into something it never was. this used to be just labor's domain and behaviour... now the Liberals are doing the same thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 9:36 am

Anning mentioned "final solution" and suddenly everybody reckons he is talking about the Holocaust!  Good grief. Sky News had Josh Frydenberg on getting all upset about Anning wanting to get rid of the Jews!   He wants to stop importing Muslims, and most Aussies would agree with that.

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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 9:49 am

Did you see that moron Hinch.... good grief...
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 9:52 am

Senator Fraser Anning gives controversial maiden speech calling for Muslim immigration ban
By political reporter Dan Conifer

In a provocative first speech to Parliament, Queensland senator Fraser Anning has called for a return to a "European Christian" immigration system and a ban on Muslims migrating to Australia.

The Katter's Australian Party senator's praise for the White Australia policy has been swiftly condemned as "vile" and "bile" by his parliamentary opponents.

"We as a nation are entitled to insist that those who are allowed to come here predominantly reflect the historic European-Christian composition of Australian society," he told the Upper House.

"Those who come here need to assimilate and integrate."

He said migrants should embrace the English language and Australian values, saying cultural diversity undermined social cohesion.

"Ethnocultural diversity ... has been allowed to rise to dangerous levels in many suburbs," he said.

"In direct response, self-segregation, including white flight from poorer inner-urban areas, has become the norm."

The Queenslander called for migration numbers to be slashed, and a ban on Muslim people migrating to Australia.

He said the Muslim community had "consistently shown itself to be the least able to assimilate and integrate".

"I believe that the reasons for ending all further Muslim immigration are both compelling and self-evident," Mr Anning said.

Independent senator Fraser Anning says 56 per cent of Australia's working-age Muslims are not in the labour force. The numbers say he is wrong.

"The record of Muslims who have already come to this country in terms of rates of crime, welfare dependency, and terrorism are the worst of any migrant [group] and vastly exceed any other immigrant group."

"The majority of Muslims in Australia of working age do not work and live on welfare."

"While all Muslims are not terrorists, certainly all terrorists these days are Muslims, so why would anyone want to bring more of them here?"

Mr Anning said "the final solution to the immigration problem of course is a popular vote".

"We need a plebiscite to allow the Australian people to decide whether they want wholesale non-English speaking immigrants from the third world, and particularly whether they want any Muslims.

"Or whether they want to return to the predominantly European immigration policy of the pre-Whitlam [Government] consensus."

The "final solution" was a phrase used in Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler to describe the mass killing of Jewish people.

Later on Tuesday night, Senator Anning dismissed the criticism of his "final solution" phrase.

"The 'ultimate solution' to any political question is always a popular vote."

Labor frontbencher Tony Burke slammed the Senator for invoking the phrase and labelled his speech "bile" against Muslim Australians.

"Another speech belittling Australians, another speech dividing the nation, another speech wanting to incite debate," he told Parliament.

Greens leader Richard Di Natale demanded an apology for the "vile comments".

"Referring to immigrants, particularly Muslim immigrants, with the same language that the Nazis used to discuss the extermination of Europe's Jews during the Holocaust is vile, racist, bigoted, and has no place in out society, let alone our Parliament," Dr Di Natale said.

"Australia is a proud multicultural society that is made better every day by the contributions of immigrants."

Labor Senate leader Penny Wong, who was born in Malaysia, rejected the speech.

"My parents were married in the dying days of the White Australia Policy," Ms Wong said.

"We've rightly consigned that policy to the dustbin of history."

Minister for Multicultural Affairs, Alan Tudge, said Mr Anning's comments did not reflect the views of the Government.

Mr Anning replaced One Nation's Malcolm Roberts in Parliament after Mr Roberts was found to be a dual citizen.

Senator Anning's speech was reminiscent of Pauline Hanson's first speech as an MP in the mid-1990s.

The One Nation founder called for multiculturalism to be abolished, saying Australia was in "danger of being swamped by Asians".
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 4:05 pm

It has been strongly criticised by politicians from across the divide in both chambers, with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull describing the "final solution" comment as a "shocking insult" to those who died in the Holocaust. But Senator Anning is unmoved and his party leader Bob Katter has called the speech "magnificent" and "solid gold". Mr Katter said he discussed the speech with Senator Anning before he delivered it. "His speech was absolutely magnificent and it's everything that this country should be doing." wrote:

Now Penny Wong has its knickers in a knot.

Did Senator Anning say anything about stopping Asian immigration? He was more focussed on Muslims and that isn't racist since Islam is NOT a race but a religion.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 8:02 pm

Well that is rubbish.
He doesn't deserve to be lied about at all.
Nor does his opinion deserve to be misinterpreted.
When one suggests that the final solution to a problem for the society is to allow the people a vote on it, how is it anything but sensibly democratic?
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 9:39 pm

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Well that is rubbish.
He doesn't deserve to be lied about at all.
Nor does his opinion deserve to be misinterpreted.
When one suggests that the final solution to a problem for the society is to allow the people a vote on it, how is it anything but sensibly democratic?

He represents the views of 19 Queenslanders. His views are very much of a tiny minority. 85% of Australians support Multiculturalism. There is no need for a "Final Solution". Tsk, tsk.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 10:03 pm

I'm sure he represents the views of many more than 19 Qlders.
Why you continue to push the lie "Final Solution" is beyond me.
He never used those words in the manner you state or imply. There is no Nazi connection except in the minds of the disingenuous politicians who seek to silence debate.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 10:12 pm

This what Anning said: "The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote."

There is no mention of a Hitler's Final Solution, or such a solution be used to solve the immigration problem he was referring to.  He had in fact before this sentence spoken of several solutions.  Hence final solution is totally appropriate in its usage and context.

It is appalling the depths our polity has sunk to and how they treat people with dissenting opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Thu 16 Aug 2018, 8:56 am

Why do you keep incorrectly quoting those 2 words?  Do you even know what he actually said?  Even after I posted the sentence and expained it to you?

He never stated The Final Solution or used it in any way to reference Jews or Hitler.

Why should I take anything up with him?  YOU are here YOU are being disingenuous.

I note now you are now involving Hanson.  Why is that? I note yesterday certain politicians did the same thing, apparently everytime they mention racist they feel the need to mention Hanson.

I note she did not support Anning.  Which in fact may do her and her party more harm than good with her supporters.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Thu 16 Aug 2018, 4:16 pm

This is what Anning said:

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Finally, it should go without saying that, as a nation, we are entitled to require that those who come here not only have useful work skills and qualifications but also the commitment to work and pay taxes. In truth, it appears that many of those who claim to be asylum seekers are actually just welfare seekers who only come to Australia to live on welfare in public housing at the expense of working Australians. In the days of Menzies, immigrants arriving here were not allowed to apply for welfare and that attracted exactly the right sort of hard-working people this country needed. We should go back to that and ban all immigrants receiving welfare for the first five years after they arrive. The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote. We don't need a plebiscite to cut immigration numbers; we just need a government that is willing to institute a sustainable population policy, end Australian-job-stealing 457 visas and make student visas conditional on foreign students returning to the country they came from.

How anybody with half a brain could interpret the above as anything to do with the Holocaust is beyond me.  Or, perhaps it is just another "Godwin's Law" situation? Parliamentarians shouting across the floor of Parliament and acting like Year 9 schoolkids.  That lot (both sides) do not deserve to be where they are. Idjits, the lot of them!
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Thu 16 Aug 2018, 10:45 pm

Yes neferti you are totally correct.

The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.

That is a totally appropriate sentence and has nothing to do with Nazis, Hitler, Jews or The Holocaust.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Fri 17 Aug 2018, 8:08 am

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Yes neferti you are totally correct.

The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.

That is a totally appropriate sentence and has nothing to do with Nazis, Hitler, Jews or The Holocaust.

Exactly!  The ALP followers obviously cannot read what is written/spoken and prefer to make up stuff to suit their own agenda. In other words, they tell lies. Godwin's Law. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Fri 17 Aug 2018, 9:01 am

Most ALP followers I've met over the years wouldn't even know about Hitler's Final Solution, this is a total beat-up and pile on by the Progressives in Parliament it was and is disgusting.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Fri 17 Aug 2018, 10:49 pm

As for the dishonesty and obfuscating.

There were no capital letters in the text of his speech.
I heard no reference to Nazis, Jews, The Holocaust etc...  

Just the rabid response of deluded politicians running away from a debate on immigration and the other issues he mentioned.

If you read the papers you'll note a great many people disagree with those dishonest politicians who spout Hitler Nazis and The Holocaust. It is just rabid histrionics and the public are not all fooled by it.


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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Fri 17 Aug 2018, 10:58 pm

Are you denying that Anning used the term "the Final Solution"? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. For someone who doesn't like insults, you like to throw them around an awful lot. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Sat 18 Aug 2018, 11:32 am

Another baseless flame...  from the site liar.
Are you trying to ruin yet another site with your TROLLING?
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Sat 18 Aug 2018, 11:35 am

There is a major difference between the "Final Solution" and the final solution.
One would think someone who speaks English and is educated could discern that difference and not spread lies about it. But not our politicians apparently.
The dishonest and pathetic will keep lying I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Sat 18 Aug 2018, 2:27 pm

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There is a major difference between the "Final Solution" and the final solution.
One would think someone who speaks English and is educated could discern that difference and not spread lies about it.  But not our politicians apparently.
The dishonest and pathetic will keep lying I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Senator Anning coping a battering   Sat 18 Aug 2018, 3:21 pm

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The real reason for the Fraser Anning anger

When Australia’s population was about to pass 25 million the Commonwealth announced that the person would most probably a migrant and not naturally born.  Given State governments have both legalised and promoted the abortion of Australian babies, the announcement was not needed. There is, however, another effect from this policy.

I have written previously about the Commonwealth’s immigration-led economic plan, published, ironically, on May Day. As policies go, immigration growth is probably the only Commonwealth policy, apart from same-sex marriage, that has bi-partisan support across the Parliament. Interestingly, however, we have not been alone in this economic charade. The United States too had, at least until the present President, an immigration policy that had bi-partisan support from both Republican and Democrat parties.

What is interesting about the bi-partisan support in both Australia and the US, however, is that in each country, the reasons for the support are totally different even contradictory. In Australia, the Commonwealth government relies on migrants to prop up economic growth through their consumption and investment when they bring their gold coins. They prop up the housing bubble when they invest in new houses and old houses and more old houses.

Labor, however, sees immigration (which includes boat people and all refugees) as being a humane way of salving their predominantly white, middle-class consciences. And don’t forget it was the ALP who originated the white Australia policy. Immigrants also bring economic benefits, a wider choice of restaurant experiences and compliant, thankful people who can’t speak English with which to stack the branches. Everyone in the ALP is directed from above (not God, we’re atheist) to man the barricades for multiculturalism and diversity.

In the United States, part of the Republican Party would abandon borders altogether to provide a source of cheap labour which will depress the wages of unskilled factory workers. The Democrats want to abandon border control so that cheap labour will depress the wages of unskilled farm labour. It has also come to light that the Obama era Democrats allowed illegal immigrants to enrol in various states to vote, a fraud that assisted Democratic Party candidates.

It is now undeniable that President Trump’s economic policies and his implementation of immigration laws have provided real growth for the nation and threatened the Republican and Democrat schemes. Wages are rising, manufacturing industries are growing again and African Americans enjoy the highest levels of employment if decades. We should ask how long does Australia have to wait until a leader arrives who can take this nation to the same place?

Australia’s bipartisan economic policy has placed its faith in mining investment, exports to China and India and increased immigration. Manufacturing industries, other than what is needed to supply the building industry, have withered and died, their product is now supplied principally from China. The last thing the government needs is a proposal that threatens any of these three sources of growth. If the threat was actualised, the Australian economy would most probably go into recession.

That is the real reason why there was bipartisan anger over Senator Anning’s maiden speech in which he attacked the levels of immigration. All that brouhaha over the words ‘final solution’ was just black smoke to hide the different interests in the immigration industry. Tony Burke had one eye on his migrant based electoral success when he objected to Anning’s speech as bigotry.

It was left to Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten to coagulate their faux-righteous indignation in a bi-partisan handshake across the dispatch box when all the time both men were terrified, though for different reasons, that immigration could stop.

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