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The Grappler



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PostSubject: Brexit and tariffs - the opposition   Brexit and tariffs - the opposition EmptySun 16 Dec 2018, 9:26 pm



My response:-

Destroying tariff barriers does not work for prosperity of a nation overall when that nation is competing with automatic or de facto tariff barriers by which its trading partners pay less for a finished good...

That is NOT a level playing field and the profiteers in the middle ensure that NO reduction in costs occurs at the receiving end, regardless of whether or not the product is created locally by 'inefficient industry' or in Faroffistan where they pay an 'efficient' 2c an hour....

When we were building down south - and required certain timber products - we were told that there was none in stock due to closure of the mills at Tumut and other Australian mills - but that the market would be taken up soon by imported (same) product from South America and New Zealand - both of which have lower wages costs.  Rather than the price going down as a result of this 'efficiency' - it went up by around 60% at the same time as the Australian mill towns lapsed into poverty.

This was entirely due to The Middle Men seeking mega-profit for less input... nothing to do (obviously) with 'the high cost of Australian labour'.

In a sense this is similar to The Great Depression - the problem was not the lack of production of goods - it was the inability to move goods..... meaning that the real problem lay with the 'middle men' who were profiteers first and foremost and would NOT respond to market fluctuations.  These were also permanent 'smash-and'grab' operators, in that they were constitutionally incapable of determining a price value over THE LONG TERM, rather than the smash-and-grab 'instant billionaire' approach that we are currently forced to endure as a (failed) business model.

When the cost of production generates a move of industry to Offshore, the prosperity of the nation from which it flees goes down in real terms for the majority - meaning, in simple terms - the majority(who drive the markets) are unable to have the discretionary income he discusses - because they quite simply are not earning through engagement in productive industry.

There is therefore little to no reality in this man's statement that throwing down tariff barriers will produce a higher standard of living.

When you look at the final result - 'fled from' economies turning down in buying capacity (without massive immigration which artificially props this up temporarily while creating long-term destruction of economy and society), and the relatively small 'improvement' in living standards and thus of 'discretionary income' in the 'fled to' nations thus ensuring that workers there cannot buy their own product - what you are seeing, in reality, is a declining overall market, and one not subject to 'market forces' at all... but ONLY to the 'smash-and-grab' profiteering of a few who artificially set the price from a safe haven offshore where they are not affected by it.

THAT is the reality of offering your arse to the world via zero tariffs and not taxing profiteering industries 'at home' before they make off with the gold.
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PostSubject: Re: Brexit and tariffs - the opposition   Brexit and tariffs - the opposition EmptyMon 17 Dec 2018, 8:05 am

yep.
PHON has talked about this very thing from day one actually.
We all know of the immigration Ponzi scheme.
Both major parties however back big business and their big Australia vision, where profits come before people.
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PostSubject: Re: Brexit and tariffs - the opposition   Brexit and tariffs - the opposition EmptyMon 17 Dec 2018, 10:58 am

'Trickle-down' - another failed concept that has never worked yet, is supposed to take care of all our ills... but the peasants don't matter anyway, they can eat cake and wear yellow vests.
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PostSubject: Re: Brexit and tariffs - the opposition   Brexit and tariffs - the opposition EmptyMon 17 Dec 2018, 11:11 am

The Problem is that nations such as the UK have lost all their barriers and lost all their industries and even farming to subsidised countries within the EU. French farmers are traditionally the most protected on Earth, so Britain has failed there. NO developed nation with thriving industries does not give those subsidies - which amount to a tariff.

Also predictions for petroleum shutting down as THE easy source of energy run at about 2060 or so - could go either way in reality, since the 'response' is always 'estimated reserves as yet unexplored' (say what??) - and when that occurs I have long predicted the rise of the nation state once again. that, of course, will bring with it all the old problems of nationalism etc.. and never forget that 'chauvinism' is a French word.

As for supporting nations that are not viable within the EU..... need I say anything? they have become conduits for 'cheap' Muslim labour for industries that do not function any more (say what???), and that is a problem in itself, as events show.
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