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PostSubject: This is why I don't tip in restaurants   This is why I don't tip in restaurants EmptyMon 03 Sep 2018, 3:50 pm

“How much do you want to tip?” is often a question at the end of a pleasant night out with friends as we throw our credit cards on the table. My response of “I don’t think we need to tip in Australia” provokes a range of responses that none of us want to pick up because we are now on our way out and the waiter is close by. Nor do I ever want to bring this subject up at the beginning of an evening – a sure-fire dampener.

So when do we explore this?

With the issue of wage theft in our hospitality industry being discussed again, it may be a good opportunity to look at this closely-related subject of tipping. Victorian Labor is considering taking the issue of wage theft to the next election and making it a crime. NSW and South Australia are also looking at it.

The most common response to “why do we tip?” is that the poor service staff are underpaid. However, in Australia, they are covered by the same award system as every other worker. It is just generally accepted that these employees, many of whom are backpackers or recent immigrants or students, are being underpaid and that we, the customer, should make up the difference. Will it ever change if we keep covering for the employer who is paying them illegally?

The other response to the question of tipping is sometimes that it is for “service”. We don’t tip other people who provide a service. When did you last tip the assistant at Bunnings for helping you find the right screws?

Tipping seems to be an imported practice that, in a country that has a pretty fair wages system, should not be allowed to grow.

It is not a good way of providing an incentive. What do we do when the service is bad? Not tipping may be punishing the wrong person because it may be the fault of the kitchen staff or the manager. If there is bad service, we should let the manager know. If the meal and the service are great it may have been helped by the kitchen staff. Should the customer be judging the performance of staff and providing the pay, or is this the manager’s job?

Do we do it because it makes us feel better – like giving to a charity? Do we succumb to peer pressure when we are out with a group? If we treat service staff as professional hospitality people, we shouldn’t be passing out gratuities – it is demeaning for all parties. Do we like lording it over the less fortunate? Ego certainly plays a part with some people; watch people tip when they’re on company expenses and they are not paying. Do we do it to compensate for guilt involved in the unequal relationship that comes from someone waiting at your table?

Any further encroachment of this practice in Australia is not going to help the fight against inequality, fair wages or even assist in the battle to introduce a logical tax system. While we have imported a few good things from America – let’s not take this one. Let’s pay people fairly and be proud of it.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/this-is-why-i-don-t-tip-in-restaurants-20180831-p5011k.html?crpt=homepage
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Tipping is a nasty American thing, They get paid fuck all and need tips to survive
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Tipping is a nasty American thing, They get paid fuck all and need tips to survive

Exactly.
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Had a cute waitress the other day, wouldnt have minded given her the tip lol
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I dont tip, partly because I am a tight arsed bastard, partly because its not part of our culture, partly because the people are getting paid anyway.

Mostly because I am out of work at the moment and they are on more money than I am.
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I dont tip, partly because I am a tight arsed bastard, partly because its not part of our culture, partly because the people are getting paid anyway.

Mostly because I am out of work at the moment and they are on more money than I am.

If you are out of work why are you eating out ?
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Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol
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I don't tip, another good point in living in Australia.
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Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....
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BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

Im getting to that point, The monies good , how much do you really need to service the lifestyle that suites you,
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BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

What sort of activities do you fill your days with Nef?
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I got a job now,,, still not going to tip
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Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

Im getting to that point, The monies good , how much do you really need to service the lifestyle that suites you,

I worked in an office, so about the only thing I missed was going in and having a short chat with colleagues.  I worked that out by making friends on the Internet and spending a couple of hours first thing writing emails to people.  Many of those people were recent retirees as well. Still write to a lot of these people, all over the World, every few days.

It all depends on what sort of person you are.  I don't need people around  to feel needed and I am very happy to be all by myself.  If I get bored I come onto these sites and say a few words. yawn
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PostSubject: Re: This is why I don't tip in restaurants   This is why I don't tip in restaurants EmptyFri 01 Mar 2019, 6:38 pm

Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

Im getting to that point, The monies good , how much do you really need to service the lifestyle that suites you,

I worked in an office, so about the only thing I missed was going in and having a short chat with colleagues.  I worked that out by making friends on the Internet and spending a couple of hours first thing writing emails to people.  Many of those people were recent retirees as well. Still write to a lot of these people, all over the World, every few days.

It all depends on what sort of person you are.  I don't need people around  to feel needed and I am very happy to be all by myself.  If I get bored I come onto these sites and say a few words. yawn



Im on a few acres in west Auckland, and Im very comfortable with the isolation that this property offers me, after a day at work sorting out the clowns I look forward to getting home
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PostSubject: Re: This is why I don't tip in restaurants   This is why I don't tip in restaurants EmptyMon 04 Mar 2019, 6:02 pm

BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

Im getting to that point, The monies good , how much do you really need to service the lifestyle that suites you,

I worked in an office, so about the only thing I missed was going in and having a short chat with colleagues.  I worked that out by making friends on the Internet and spending a couple of hours first thing writing emails to people.  Many of those people were recent retirees as well. Still write to a lot of these people, all over the World, every few days.

It all depends on what sort of person you are.  I don't need people around  to feel needed and I am very happy to be all by myself.  If I get bored I come onto these sites and say a few words. yawn



Im on a few acres in west Auckland, and Im very comfortable with the isolation that this property offers me,  after a day at work sorting out the clowns I look forward to getting home

So?

What do you have on your "few acres"? Long grass and snakes?
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Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

Im getting to that point, The monies good , how much do you really need to service the lifestyle that suites you,

I worked in an office, so about the only thing I missed was going in and having a short chat with colleagues.  I worked that out by making friends on the Internet and spending a couple of hours first thing writing emails to people.  Many of those people were recent retirees as well. Still write to a lot of these people, all over the World, every few days.

It all depends on what sort of person you are.  I don't need people around  to feel needed and I am very happy to be all by myself.  If I get bored I come onto these sites and say a few words. yawn



Im on a few acres in west Auckland, and Im very comfortable with the isolation that this property offers me,  after a day at work sorting out the clowns I look forward to getting home

So?

What do you have on your "few acres"? Long grass and snakes?

A couple of cows , 30 odd chooks, 20 odd ducks, 40 odd sheep , a few pigs and up to 30 beehives
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A couple of cows , 30 odd chooks, 20 odd ducks, 40 odd sheep ,  a few pigs and up to 30 beehives

Milking cows?

Do you sell the chooks/ducks eggs?

Who shears the sheep? Plus all the rest of having sheep ... crutching, dipping and etcetera.

Pigs? Bees?

So, IF you decided to retire "early" , what would you do for the next 20+ years?

IF you decided to travel, who is going to look after all the animals, or would you sell that lot as well?

I have always said that "retirement" for females is fairly easy .... mostly they have the house, friends and "shopping", if they are that way inclined.

Men and "retirement" doesn't seem to fit snugly anywhere.  They tend to sit around, drinking beer, and getting fat. Perhaps the occasional game of golf or Forums on the Net. Or chasing women online? Pretending to be virile and starting idiotic threads with sexual overtones.

 yawn
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Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:
Im hoping to be out of work soon, Im getting to the point of walking away, selling up and hitting the road,

Just not sure that I have the balls to do it lol

I retired early and have never regretted it ....

Im getting to that point, The monies good , how much do you really need to service the lifestyle that suites you,

I worked in an office, so about the only thing I missed was going in and having a short chat with colleagues.  I worked that out by making friends on the Internet and spending a couple of hours first thing writing emails to people.  Many of those people were recent retirees as well. Still write to a lot of these people, all over the World, every few days.

It all depends on what sort of person you are.  I don't need people around  to feel needed and I am very happy to be all by myself.  If I get bored I come onto these sites and say a few words. yawn


What type of office work were you doing Nef, I can relate to your comfort with your own company, Over the Christmas period I have no problem not leaving the property for a week or so . I find the animals are great company ,,
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BigP wrote:


A couple of cows , 30 odd chooks, 20 odd ducks, 40 odd sheep ,  a few pigs and up to 30 beehives

Milking cows?

Do you sell the chooks/ducks eggs?

Who shears the sheep? Plus all the rest of having sheep ... crutching, dipping and etcetera.

Pigs? Bees?

So, IF you decided to retire "early" , what would you do for the next 20+ years?

IF you decided to travel, who is going to look after all the animals, or would you sell that lot as well?

I have always said that "retirement" for females is fairly easy .... mostly they have the house, friends and "shopping", if they are that way inclined.

Men and "retirement" doesn't seem to fit snugly anywhere.  They tend to sit around, drinking beer, and getting fat. Perhaps the occasional game of golf or Forums on the Net. Or chasing women online? Pretending to be virile and starting idiotic threads with sexual overtones.

 yawn


The cows are a beef breed,I kill one every 12 months and share it with my brother I have been thinking of getting a dairy to milk , The chooks have started breeding out of control, I was fond of my rooster Red Kong and didnt want to get rid of him, Because he would have ended up in some Indians curry, So I caught him and took him into the hills and liberated him lol The ducks are just pets they free range I also have 10 Turkeys that free range, I dont see them from one week to the next but periodically they turn up to say hello, I am using the pigs to clear some scrub down the back of my property, when the reproduce I will eat a couple The sheep are for pasture maintenance and food we consume around 7 a year and I sell the resp, I do their feet and drench them myself and get a shearer in once a year to give them a hair cut, I have a small beekeeping business which has been neglected of late because the rest of that lot and a full time job keep me rather busy lol
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BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:


A couple of cows , 30 odd chooks, 20 odd ducks, 40 odd sheep ,  a few pigs and up to 30 beehives

Milking cows?

Do you sell the chooks/ducks eggs?

Who shears the sheep? Plus all the rest of having sheep ... crutching, dipping and etcetera.

Pigs? Bees?

So, IF you decided to retire "early" , what would you do for the next 20+ years?

IF you decided to travel, who is going to look after all the animals, or would you sell that lot as well?

I have always said that "retirement" for females is fairly easy .... mostly they have the house, friends and "shopping", if they are that way inclined.

Men and "retirement" doesn't seem to fit snugly anywhere.  They tend to sit around, drinking beer, and getting fat. Perhaps the occasional game of golf or Forums on the Net. Or chasing women online? Pretending to be virile and starting idiotic threads with sexual overtones.

 yawn


The cows are a beef breed,I kill one every 12 months and share it with my brother I have been thinking of getting a dairy to milk , The chooks have started breeding out of control, I was fond of my rooster Red Kong and didnt want to get rid of him, Because he would have ended up in some Indians curry, So I caught him and took him into the hills and liberated him lol The ducks are just pets they free range I also have 10 Turkeys that free range, I dont see them from one week to the next but periodically they turn up to say hello, I am using the pigs to clear some scrub down the back of my property, when the reproduce I will  eat a couple The sheep are for pasture maintenance and food we consume around 7 a year and I sell the resp, I do their feet and drench them myself and get a shearer in once a year to give them a hair cut, I have a small beekeeping  business which has been neglected of late because the rest of that lot and a full time job keep me rather busy lol

Sounds like you are organised then. IF you retire, what are you going to do with the next 25 years of your life?
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BigP wrote:
Neferti wrote:
BigP wrote:


A couple of cows , 30 odd chooks, 20 odd ducks, 40 odd sheep ,  a few pigs and up to 30 beehives

Milking cows?

Do you sell the chooks/ducks eggs?

Who shears the sheep? Plus all the rest of having sheep ... crutching, dipping and etcetera.

Pigs? Bees?

So, IF you decided to retire "early" , what would you do for the next 20+ years?

IF you decided to travel, who is going to look after all the animals, or would you sell that lot as well?

I have always said that "retirement" for females is fairly easy .... mostly they have the house, friends and "shopping", if they are that way inclined.

Men and "retirement" doesn't seem to fit snugly anywhere.  They tend to sit around, drinking beer, and getting fat. Perhaps the occasional game of golf or Forums on the Net. Or chasing women online? Pretending to be virile and starting idiotic threads with sexual overtones.

 yawn


The cows are a beef breed,I kill one every 12 months and share it with my brother I have been thinking of getting a dairy to milk , The chooks have started breeding out of control, I was fond of my rooster Red Kong and didnt want to get rid of him, Because he would have ended up in some Indians curry, So I caught him and took him into the hills and liberated him lol The ducks are just pets they free range I also have 10 Turkeys that free range, I dont see them from one week to the next but periodically they turn up to say hello, I am using the pigs to clear some scrub down the back of my property, when the reproduce I will  eat a couple The sheep are for pasture maintenance and food we consume around 7 a year and I sell the resp, I do their feet and drench them myself and get a shearer in once a year to give them a hair cut, I have a small beekeeping  business which has been neglected of late because the rest of that lot and a full time job keep me rather busy lol

Sounds like you are organised then. IF you retire, what are you going to do with the next 25 years of your life?

Organised chaos lol, my father is in his mid 90,s and not yet in a rest home, so potentially I might have 40 odd years to fill ,,Its a good question, I have a lot of hobbies and interests, and as long as I remain in good health I will have no problem filling my days,
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