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We all know that our children are being indoctrinated by LW prog zealots and radical gender zealots...  we know they've been taught to believe in global warming and climate change...  lol like rabid unionists of old the rabble of kiddie geniuses decided to strike today and the more radical of them were allowed to rant and spout ignorant nonsense from on high.
A 15 year old girl was feted by the media and ABC yesterday as she ranted on ignorantly about leadership and Climate Change...

So, do we really want to allow children to control our country and its future?
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Neferti wrote:
Bobby2 wrote:
Why can't we return to the times when men were men and women were women?

That is still the way with me, Bobby ....

Do you have kids that are affected with this crap?


No - I don't have any kids.
I always felt that there were too many people on this planet.
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Neferti wrote:
What is it with "progressives" who want to change everything that has been known for Centuries to something entirely opposite?

Boys are boys, girls are girls. If they decide (for whatever reason) that they prefer being a homosexual ... it isn't against the Law so, go for it but do we NEED to have it advertised?

Encouraging children (prepubescent) that they can choose what "sex" they are is absolutely ridiculous, can you even imagine what that will do to them?  Little kids love to "Pretend" ... if they reckon they are a DOG or Mickey Mouse will the "progressives" allow that too?

This, absolute bullshit about not putting "gender" on birth certificates is the last straw!

I haven't had anything to do with School Teachers for years, I must ask my daughter what she thinks about them and their weird ideas.

Merry Christmas
Honestly... what a crock eh.
You are born male or female unless you are a "freak" a natural exception. So there are only 2 GENDERS.
As for sexuality, it's a pretty broad spectrum. But the LW PC Progs don't get it and are dumb as shyte.
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Veritas wrote:
Neferti wrote:
What is it with "progressives" who want to change everything that has been known for Centuries to something entirely opposite?

Boys are boys, girls are girls. If they decide (for whatever reason) that they prefer being a homosexual ... it isn't against the Law so, go for it but do we NEED to have it advertised?

Encouraging children (prepubescent) that they can choose what "sex" they are is absolutely ridiculous, can you even imagine what that will do to them?  Little kids love to "Pretend" ... if they reckon they are a DOG or Mickey Mouse will the "progressives" allow that too?

This, absolute bullshit about not putting "gender" on birth certificates is the last straw!

I haven't had anything to do with School Teachers for years, I must ask my daughter what she thinks about them and their weird ideas.

Merry Christmas
Honestly...  what a crock eh.
You are born male or female unless you are a "freak" a natural exception.  So there are only 2 GENDERS.
As for sexuality, it's a pretty broad spectrum.  But the LW PC Progs don't get it and are dumb as shyte.

I've said it elsewhere - all this nonsense about 'rights' of those with strange ideas in their heads about what they are - is a single hair on the tail wagging the dog.. they are, in reality a minute percentage...... second point - unless this insanity about 'training' (indoctrinating) young kids in primary school is STOPPED - all it will do is add to the increasing borderline personality problems that many such have these days in a society without solid foundations and (Paul Newman's) rules in a knife fight. disgust
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Bobby2 wrote:
Neferti wrote:
Bobby2 wrote:
Why can't we return to the times when men were men and women were women?

That is still the way with me, Bobby ....

Do you have kids that are affected with this crap?


No - I don't have any kids.
I always felt that there were too many people on this planet.

These days, in the days of a predator society, it is scary having three little grand-kids, let me tell you.  I have no idea what rubbish they are being handed at school, but the reports are terrifying to any responsible grand-parent who wants the absolute best for his/her own.

Our society - under this ultra-socialist social science regime, has become THE predator on children seeking to bend their still developing minds into twisted untruths .... and that is the truth. What the hell do politicians think they are doing, allowing this insanity into our schools? thumbs down

You all know me - I loathe the LNP - but I will not vote Labor either..... and MY tide is rising.
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The Grappler wrote:
Bobby2 wrote:
Neferti wrote:
Bobby2 wrote:
Why can't we return to the times when men were men and women were women?

That is still the way with me, Bobby ....

Do you have kids that are affected with this crap?


No - I don't have any kids.
I always felt that there were too many people on this planet.

These days, in the days of a predator society, it is scary having three little grand-kids, let me tell you.  I have no idea what rubbish they are being handed at school, but the reports are terrifying to any responsible grand-parent who wants the absolute best for his/her own.

Our society - under this ultra-socialist social science regime, has become THE predator on children seeking to bend their still developing minds into twisted untruths .... and that is the truth.  What the hell do politicians think they are doing, allowing this insanity into our schools?  thumbs down

You all know me - I loathe the LNP - but I will not vote Labor either..... and MY tide is rising.

I think that everybody would agree with you Grapp, regardless of who votes one way or the other.

The more I think about it, the less I agree with this "compulsory" voting thing.  I checked, and it is still only $20 for NOT getting your name marked off the Rolls and I might just do that in future! The whole bunch of them are worthless.
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If you don't vote you have no right to complain.
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Sometimes Grapp the decision is to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
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Veritas wrote:
Sometimes Grapp the decision is to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

It seems, these days and in this nation, that is always the choice... Destructo I or Destructo II - neither of which are actually working for the best for all, but are only working to cement the benefits for their own chosen group - whether that group be business and rich shareholders etc, or personally selected groups under 'social science'.

The first lot are easy to spot.... the next generation of Terminators look and smell and feel like you and I... except they are not... they appeal to emotions and sometimes deep-founded instincts of Man such as protecting women .... and you can only identify them by what they actually obtain through their machinations.

The initial aim of destroying the 'nuclear family' is now a given.... the removal of men from positions of power and even personal sovereignty is well under way, and will accelerate once Labor is in... mark my words.  Protecting women has now become the sharp edge of the sword that destroys men, and by destroying those who built the society in which such insanities can flourish, will destroy that society.

As for the other side, they are seeking a totally subjugated and 'tame' workforce with no real rights other than what they are handed by their Overlords... hundreds of years of western civilisation gone up in a puff of smoke... and all done legally, with the end result an absolute power of the Overlord and a host of totally subservient or savagely punished serfs.

Is any of this The Australian Way?

I doubt it.
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I doubt everyone on the Right actually believes what you think they do Grapp.
Many are union members.
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I doubt everyone on the Right actually believes what you think they do Grapp.
Many are union members.

Those Union members who vote for the Right are mistaken - as much as those non-Union members who vote for the 'left'.

I've said it countless times - I was a Union delegate and targeted by management for doing that unpaid job.  

Anyone who imagines that stronger powers (not rights) of management will make a better future for all is a sorry case.... at the same time, anyone who actually believes that the current mode of 'left' initiatives will make a better future for all is also a sorry case.

NONE of these has any solution for this nation and its people.  The bigger issues are over-population of the WORLD- Australia is currently NOT over-populated, but given free rein, those who continue to advocate mass immigration will turn it into the same disaster that is currently consuming Africa and Asia - too many people, too little to go around, and too much control by a few for their own benefit.

There have always been thugs who will seek to rise to power by force - that includes, in the West, both Left and Right, so, to my way of thinking, what is needed is a 'Middle Way' .... too tight and the rope will break... too loose and it will not work....

A fair and equitable distribution of power between people and government and those in industry/business is the way forward.... not the despotism of one group over any other.

We have seen the despotism of the people with communism (hijacked by Bolshevists), we have seen the despotism of any government that is not properly controlled by the people and by conventions (international or simply societal as passed down by generations), and we have seen the despotism of industry/business with the robber barons and the company store.

Human nature demands the light of freedom and resists and opposes despotism by any - that is a given of human nature, and therefore the only solution to our current mad dash to the abyss is that middle way, of power-sharing and genuine equality, but most emphatically not of any form of despotism, which will sow the seeds of its own destruction, and the destruction of countless innocents along the way to its downfall.

Oh - and Nazi Germany had Union members... they belonged to one union only, the State union, and had no real rights...

late night... late night... you're not the guy I had lunch with yesterday, are you?
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Personally i'd like to see unions earn their membership through good deeds and reputation not compulsion.
I'd also like to see them stick to doing less politicking and more work for the employers and stick to their core job, not running superfunds and holiday housing etc, etc, etc...
I think they have a place and merit, but not as they currently exist.
BTW there are many Communists in the Union movement Comrade just as there are in the ALP the Union movements political arm. They seek to disrupt and change society...

They believe in a socialist manifesto created in 1921, before the Liberal party was even a thought in Menzies' head. So much for conservatives being stagnant and behind the times wishing for a passt long gone... tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Neferti wrote:
Bobby2 wrote:
Why can't we return to the times when men were men and women were women?

That is still the way with me, Bobby ....

Do you have kids that are affected with this crap?

I don't have any kids -
at least none that I know about.


Check this out - they're back!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545553326/105#115

They escaped the prison vortex of Monk's dismal Political (soapies) Forum.

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The Grappler wrote:
Veritas wrote:
Neferti wrote:
What is it with "progressives" who want to change everything that has been known for Centuries to something entirely opposite?

Boys are boys, girls are girls. If they decide (for whatever reason) that they prefer being a homosexual ... it isn't against the Law so, go for it but do we NEED to have it advertised?

Encouraging children (prepubescent) that they can choose what "sex" they are is absolutely ridiculous, can you even imagine what that will do to them?  Little kids love to "Pretend" ... if they reckon they are a DOG or Mickey Mouse will the "progressives" allow that too?

This, absolute bullshit about not putting "gender" on birth certificates is the last straw!

I haven't had anything to do with School Teachers for years, I must ask my daughter what she thinks about them and their weird ideas.

Merry Christmas
Honestly...  what a crock eh.
You are born male or female unless you are a "freak" a natural exception.  So there are only 2 GENDERS.
As for sexuality, it's a pretty broad spectrum.  But the LW PC Progs don't get it and are dumb as shyte.

I've said it elsewhere - all this nonsense about 'rights' of those with strange ideas in their heads about what they are - is a single hair on the tail wagging the dog.. they are, in reality a minute percentage......  second point - unless this insanity about 'training' (indoctrinating) young kids in primary school is STOPPED - all it will do is add to the increasing borderline personality problems that many such have these days in a society without solid foundations and (Paul Newman's) rules in a knife fight.  disgust

Well that minute percentage with the help of the ALP, The Greens and the idiots in the Coalition brought in same sex marriage.
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Veritas wrote:
Personally i'd like to see unions earn their membership through good deeds and reputation not compulsion.
I'd also like to see them stick to doing less politicking and more work for the employers and stick to their core job, not running superfunds and holiday housing etc, etc, etc...
I think they have a place and merit, but not as they currently exist.
BTW there are many Communists in the Union movement Comrade just as there are in the ALP the Union movements political arm.  They seek to disrupt and change society...

They believe in a socialist manifesto created in 1921, before the Liberal party was even a thought in Menzies' head. So much for conservatives being stagnant and behind the times wishing for a passt long gone...  tsk, tsk, tsk...

Hmm - trhere's no compulsion to join Unions... and their good deeds, such as the work to develop an annual or regular wage claim is always overlooked by those who readily accept any pay rise that eventuates. On top of that, their efforts to embrace OH & S and safety regulations and to protect actual rights of workers leads to much public abuse and pillorying in the tame press.

I'm afraid the shoe is on the other foot, and it is management who are the primary cause of so much trouble on work sites etc, often through sheer inability to actually manage, but instead exercising a preference for acting like some sort of demi-god. Laughable when you see it in action, and a classic reversion to the long out-dated 'master/servant' relationship. No wonder the nation is restive and despises politicians and business - the endless parade of theft and lies from such are causing a boil-over come next election.

Of course when a Union is under attack by management and its own government - a government that steadfastly refuses any round table etc and seeks every filthy under-handed way to do down the rights of workers - Unions will engage in politicking.... it is inevitable.

If only Bro Shorten and the Labor Girls were actually of a mind to handle the nation for ALL, and not just for themselves... Labor has lost its way as much as the LNP and deserves to be ousted.

Don't tsk, tsk, tsk - it's a reminder of someone from ... elsewhere.... tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Veritas wrote:
The Grappler wrote:
Veritas wrote:
Neferti wrote:
What is it with "progressives" who want to change everything that has been known for Centuries to something entirely opposite?

Boys are boys, girls are girls. If they decide (for whatever reason) that they prefer being a homosexual ... it isn't against the Law so, go for it but do we NEED to have it advertised?

Encouraging children (prepubescent) that they can choose what "sex" they are is absolutely ridiculous, can you even imagine what that will do to them?  Little kids love to "Pretend" ... if they reckon they are a DOG or Mickey Mouse will the "progressives" allow that too?

This, absolute bullshit about not putting "gender" on birth certificates is the last straw!

I haven't had anything to do with School Teachers for years, I must ask my daughter what she thinks about them and their weird ideas.

Merry Christmas
Honestly...  what a crock eh.
You are born male or female unless you are a "freak" a natural exception.  So there are only 2 GENDERS.
As for sexuality, it's a pretty broad spectrum.  But the LW PC Progs don't get it and are dumb as shyte.

I've said it elsewhere - all this nonsense about 'rights' of those with strange ideas in their heads about what they are - is a single hair on the tail wagging the dog.. they are, in reality a minute percentage......  second point - unless this insanity about 'training' (indoctrinating) young kids in primary school is STOPPED - all it will do is add to the increasing borderline personality problems that many such have these days in a society without solid foundations and (Paul Newman's) rules in a knife fight.  disgust

Well that minute percentage with the help of the ALP, The Greens and the idiots in the Coalition brought in same sex marriage.

Oh... I dunno ... seems to me a postal non-binding vote of some of the people did that.... citing some silly tiny group of loud-mouths has as much validity as claiming the suffragettes 'won' the vote when the truth is that men, once universal male suffrage came in, voted to give women the vote.

It seems that the 'silent majority' are sometimes a blind majority - blind to everything but emotion.... if only the knew the truth.... for the truth look at 'feminism' and New Labor...... there's the truth. Rabid and often insane...
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The Grappler wrote:
Veritas wrote:
Personally i'd like to see unions earn their membership through good deeds and reputation not compulsion.
I'd also like to see them stick to doing less politicking and more work for the employers and stick to their core job, not running superfunds and holiday housing etc, etc, etc...
I think they have a place and merit, but not as they currently exist.
BTW there are many Communists in the Union movement Comrade just as there are in the ALP the Union movements political arm.  They seek to disrupt and change society...

They believe in a socialist manifesto created in 1921, before the Liberal party was even a thought in Menzies' head. So much for conservatives being stagnant and behind the times wishing for a passt long gone...  tsk, tsk, tsk...

Hmm - trhere's no compulsion to join Unions... and their good deeds, such as the work to develop an annual or regular wage claim is always overlooked by those who readily accept any pay rise that eventuates.  On top of that, their efforts to embrace OH & S and safety regulations and to protect actual rights of workers leads to much public abuse and pillorying in the tame press.

I'm afraid the shoe is on the other foot, and it is management who are the primary cause of so much trouble on work sites etc, often through sheer inability to actually manage, but instead exercising a preference for acting like some sort of demi-god.  Laughable when you see it in action, and a classic reversion to the long out-dated 'master/servant' relationship.  No wonder the nation is restive and despises politicians and business - the endless parade of theft and lies from such are causing a boil-over come next election.

Of course when a Union is under attack by management and its own government - a government that steadfastly refuses any round table etc and seeks every filthy under-handed way to do down the rights of workers - Unions will engage in politicking.... it is inevitable.

If only Bro Shorten and the Labor Girls were actually of a mind to handle the nation for ALL, and not just for themselves... Labor has lost its way as much as the LNP and deserves to be ousted.

Don't  tsk, tsk, tsk - it's a reminder of someone from ... elsewhere.... tsk, tsk, tsk...

Oh yes there is...  No ticket No work is still alive and well also my ex-employer made it mandatory for me to join a union...  you know keep the unions happy.

BTW where did I say there was no place for a union...  oh right...  I DIDN"T.
As for wages there is an award system that should be adhered to and enforced also there are unless I read and hear incorrectly regular wage claims by industry unions etc.

Oh BTW I have a white card and every employer I've ever worked for were strict with their OH&S training and demands.

Bad management is bad management so are bad union officials and the thugs that enforce union rules.  Shoes and feet have nothing to do with it.  Good management is inclusive of their workforce.  Good Unions look after employees rights and safety.  the ALP is the Union political arm...  politicking...  its rife and now they think they have a way to turn back the clock and create a workers paradise, only thing is as in socialist and communist countries its only a paradise for those at the top.  Unions are political and they shouldn't be...  just look at the imported union leadership, having destroyed the UK they now manifest here in Unions and politics.  unions do not have a cause or right to demand anything of a government.  Apples and oranges.  Unions have the ALP created FWC to deal with and the right to industrial action and courts.

If you make stupid comments Tsk, tsk, tsk is appropriate.
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oh and while we are at it lets talk about indoctrination political bias and the Student unions at Uni...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/a-degree-of-frustration-as-uni-fees-are-used-to-fund-faction-fights/news-story/1a332f9e1d309885c6be97ebfa8c6e29

For those who think unions aren't mandatory etc...

Quote :
Victorian students are outraged their mandatory service fees are going towards voting on motions such as “Abolish Australia Day” and “Defend the right to protest against Bettina Arndt” at a national student union conference.

Quote :
The three factions primarily controlling NUS are Labor Right, called Unity, Labor Left and the revolutionary Marxist group Socialist Alternative.

Quote :
University of Melbourne student Charlotte Choi, 19, said she was appalled student money was being spent this way.

“I was shocked to learn that the tens of thousands of dollars students pay to the NUS seem to result in factional infighting and financial misuse rather than more services for students,” she said.

Ms Choi, a member of the Melbourne University Liberal Club, didn’t see the point in the university’s membership of the student union. “I never see the NUS around on campus, and only seem to hear about them when they’re embroiled in some controversy.”

The university union received 36 per cent, or more than $4.4 million, from the Student Services and Amenities Fee collected from students last year. The SSAF is a compulsory fee paid annually that goes towards funding things such as clubs and support services.

Next year a full-time student will pay an SSAF of $303.

Quote :
Melbourne University Liberal Club president Chris Kounelis said it was unacceptable that the fees were being used to fund the delusions of left-leaning students.


Oh yeah, even student Unions are politicking.
Oh and when I was at Uni you had to join a student union.
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Veritas wrote:
oh and while we are at it lets talk about indoctrination political bias and the Student unions at Uni...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/a-degree-of-frustration-as-uni-fees-are-used-to-fund-faction-fights/news-story/1a332f9e1d309885c6be97ebfa8c6e29

For those who think unions aren't mandatory etc...

Quote :
Victorian students are outraged their mandatory service fees are going towards voting on motions such as “Abolish Australia Day” and “Defend the right to protest against Bettina Arndt” at a national student union conference.

Quote :
The three factions primarily controlling NUS are Labor Right, called Unity, Labor Left and the revolutionary Marxist group Socialist Alternative.

Quote :
University of Melbourne student Charlotte Choi, 19, said she was appalled student money was being spent this way.

“I was shocked to learn that the tens of thousands of dollars students pay to the NUS seem to result in factional infighting and financial misuse rather than more services for students,” she said.

Ms Choi, a member of the Melbourne University Liberal Club, didn’t see the point in the university’s membership of the student union. “I never see the NUS around on campus, and only seem to hear about them when they’re embroiled in some controversy.”

The university union received 36 per cent, or more than $4.4 million, from the Student Services and Amenities Fee collected from students last year. The SSAF is a compulsory fee paid annually that goes towards funding things such as clubs and support services.

Next year a full-time student will pay an SSAF of $303.

Quote :
Melbourne University Liberal Club president Chris Kounelis said it was unacceptable that the fees were being used to fund the delusions of left-leaning students.


Oh yeah, even student Unions are politicking.
Oh and when I was at Uni you had to join a student union.

Student unions and Unions are not one and the same..... as for mandatory union membership - there's been no such thing here for decades.. if you've found yourself in that situation it will not be as cut and dried as you seek to make out.

There is a place for Unions, and a place for management, and a place for authorities in industrial relations - it used to be called a round table with a fair distribution of rights and powers... powers that would not be exercised unless a stalemate had occurred.

I don't make stupid comments, son... I make comments based on sense, reason and principle, so leave your tsk, tsk, tsk out of discussion of issues, and kindly refrain from personal attacks as part of your repertoire.

One of the reasons I liked posting here was that at least a viewpoint was treated with respect - then you came along.

Put it simply - grow up!

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Oh and merry xmas to you too.

Student unions are Unions.... no amount of denying it is gonna change that.

They are just not workers unions.

No ticket NO Work still exists whether you think it does or not... Unions still have power over companies to enter workplaces and recruit members... and we all know that the power of the mob still exists to intimidate and coerce membership.

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I don't make stupid comments, son... I make comments based on sense, reason and principle, so leave your tsk, tsk, tsk out of discussion of issues, and kindly refrain from personal attacks as part of your repertoire.

Fuck your repetoire Sunshine I never said tsk, tsk, tsk to you ya dope...

I said it about the Unions and their 1921 agenda... take English lessons that might help.
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They believe in a socialist manifesto created in 1921, before the Liberal party was even a thought in Menzies' head. So much for conservatives being stagnant and behind the times wishing for a past long gone... tsk, tsk, tsk...

That's right it wasn't about YOU was it... it was about the Unions and their dishonesty about Conservatives etc, etc, etc....

Pity for them that nationally membership has fallen over the years.... that is their own fault for getting too involved in politics and forgetting their real job.

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There is a place for Unions, and a place for management, and a place for authorities in industrial relations - it used to be called a round table with a fair distribution of rights and powers... powers that would not be exercised unless a stalemate had occurred.

Really? Wow... don't you read what I say? it might help an d you wont have to repeat what I've already stated.
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Student unions are a body  within their specific learning institution - it is NOT compulsory to join and pay fees, not last time I attended university.

As for the rest, if there is an agreement between a union and a company over union membership, that is an individual work choice of that company in signing the agreement and is not the general rule.

Perhaps you could give us your specific instance.

There is no specific attachment of the Union movement to any ideology, other than securing for the best interests of workers their rights and pay rates.  The Labor Party is the party of Unions, and, as you know, has declared independence from Unions to  a very large degree, and is running its own race.  Unfortunately part of the Union movement has followed suit, and as a former union delegate myself, I've cited the tale of how I was targeted by management for that work, and when sacked for it, applied to the Unions for full-time work - their respose was thatthey were encouraging applications from women, ethnics and Indigenes... and you know what that means.

It is, regardless of any ideology to which a person or group may adhere, their inalienable right to engage in political activity to safeguard and further their own interests.  Many on the 'other' side have no issue with businesses or business groups having an inordinate say over government policy, yet complain about labour having the same right - it's called 'the master-servant relationship' and hasn't existed here for over 100 years due to the abuse and excesses of masters.

As for myself - I have no ideology other than a genuine fair go for all,and most certainly do not slavishly follow any party or organisation.  My position was clearly stated as regards equal powers and rights in negotiation - it is the imbalances that create disputes, and currently the imbalance is far too much towards the 'masters'.

Labor thinking is not immune from that - the prime example being the little girlies with their Victim Mentality Disorder who assume that once they assume the mantle of government, they assume some mantle of absolute power to do as they choose... wrong, wrong, wrong.... and a clear reason why women must never rule this nation.... they do not understand responsibility in power.

You may now cease your personal comments and insults, son... there is no place for those in a civilised discussion. As Jackie Lambie said today in her Christmas message to Australians, those with different views may be your opponents, but they are not your enemies.

Kindly stop treating anyone with different views and experiences as your enemy - lest you end up with no friends at all. Sometimes you sound as fanatical and one-sided as any Middle Eastern Muslim bent on jihad - hence my comment on your essential immaturity regardless of age and experience.
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Here's one for you... you join the student union so you enabled to get learning materials cheaper from the student coop.
So being a poor student you join compulsion or no.

They also provide and help in other parts of student life. Jobs, housing, etc. they provide access to sporting and other groups, like political bodies, student newspapers oh and the vast amount being LW progressive groups.

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is just Labor propaganda.... maybe as a past delegate you fell for it... both major parties Sunshine get donations from both banks and big business only labor and The Greens from the Unions.

You lied about me... you still do... if you want to be a self righteous areshole fine but I'll call you out for it.

I don't see you as an enemy... never have... but don't lie about me.

Oh and merry xmas once again... libel someone who cares... you need to take your own self serving hypocritical advice.
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Here's one for you...  you join the student union so you enabled to get learning materials cheaper from the student coop.
So being a poor student you join compulsion or no.

They also provide and help in other parts of student life.  Jobs, housing, etc.  they provide access to sporting and other groups, like political bodies, student newspapers oh and the vast amount being LW progressive groups.

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Many on the 'other' side have no issue with businesses or business groups having an inordinate say over government policy, yet complain about labour having the same right - it's called 'the master-servant relationship' and hasn't existed here for over 100 years due to the abuse and excesses of masters.
 is just Labor propaganda....  maybe as a past delegate you fell for it...  both major parties Sunshine get donations from both banks and big business only labor and The Greens from the Unions.

You lied about me...  you still do...  if you want to be a self righteous areshole fine but I'll call you out for it.

I don't see you as an enemy...  never have...  but don't lie about me.

Oh and merry xmas once again...  libel someone who cares...  you need to take your own self serving hypocritical advice.

You paranoid dick - I have never 'lied' about you. Frankly, why would I bother?  You are nothing to me or to anyone else.  Now stop reducing this discussion to your low level and get with the program and discuss reasonably or piss off.

'libel' - you are insane.  You inability to see that things are not as you would prefer has driven you over the edge.

FYI - students who are poor have the choice, dickhead... I've been one such .. they are not 'forced' to join the student union and reap the benefits - which BTW for your enlightenment - now encompass an amazing array of 'feminist' ideas for free to 'feminists' and other losers who can't stand on their own two feet, none of which I accept at all - students are quite free to go their own way and many prosper without the assistance of the student union in housing and such.

Intelligent people are quite capable of organising their own lifestyle.

YOU are the self-righteous and totally paranoid arsehole here, sonny, and you really need to see your student union for some counselling in reality - not that you're likely to get that.

Talk about immature...... and physical age has nothing to do with that .. a person can be immature no matter how old they are - and you clearly show that you have zero maturity.

I'd say you were about fifteen years old if you're lucky, and full of absolute knowledge and contempt for your betters and elders.

Grow up first and then come back to a reasonable discussion, you clown.

As for your ridiculous comments about both 'sides' of politics and their games and my (to you only) biased view on that - you obviously haven't read anything I've written for years online about the Government of Two Parties, and you prefer to ride on assumptions that hold no water.

Get out of the basement.
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And the flaming and ad hom abounds.... tsk, tsk, tsk....
Not paranoid and not a dick
merry xmas...

oh and you are still lying.... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Well, you're the one who started down the personal slights road,Sunshine... and anyone who says that knowing a different view is calling you a liar is paranoid... the reality is that:-

. there is no compulsory union membership in Australia
. student unions operate within a specific university, trade unions cover a trade group or industry nationwide, and there is no equation between the two
. if you worked in a no card - no work environment it could only by under a workplace agreement approved by the relevant government agency.. you are always welcome to specify what and when and where this took place
. every individual in a democracy has the right to engage in some form of legal political activity over issues of concern to him/herself... same applies to groups
. if you seek to ban Unions from engaging in political activity, you must also ban all other interest groups, there being no difference between any of them

Nothing hard there... and no need for you to take it personally and leap to 'called you a liar' and 'libel' - very strange reaction to truth laid out for you, Sunshine... tsk, tsk, tsk....

If you say I've lied - SHOW ME!
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It's all there in writing Grappler.... surely I don't have to start quoting your lies and insults now before you recognise them.

I didn't start the personal slights... YOU did. I reacted to them. More lies? Rolling Eyes
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