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PostSubject: Cut Immigration NOW.   Sun 04 Nov 2018, 3:04 pm

Memo to PM: immigration cuts could be a vote-winner
Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Minister for Immigration David Coleman in Question Time.

  • Judith Sloan



    Contributing Economics Editor

  • 12:00AM November 3, 2018
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At the rate the Morrison government is going, it will need only two or three second-hand Taragos to ferry around the surviving Liberal parliamentarians after the next election.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why Scott Morrison doesn’t do something to avoid this outcome. But for a number of ­reasons — some fathomable, ­others a complete mystery — the Coalition government is surely heading towards the rocks of electoral annihilation.
The most obvious thing to do is to cut the high rate of immigration with its associated high rate of population growth and the attendant urban pressures. Recall that immigration is contributing about two-thirds of population growth and the population is growing about 400,000 a year. The vast majority of new immigrants are crowding into Melbourne, Sydney and southeast Queensland.

Now, you might have thought that the Prime Minister and his newly appointed Immigration Minister, David Coleman, would be fully briefed on current attitudes to ­immigration.
But let me help: attitudes towards our high rate of immigration are now distinctly negative. Most people think the pop­ulation has been allowed to grow too quickly and the migrant intake should be curtailed. There is also a growing unease about the impact of immigration on our ­national identity.
I can be even more helpful by providing some details on Australians’ attitudes towards ­immi­gration and how these are now changing. It would be fair to say that in the past most Australians have had a favourable view of ­immigration. The Roy Morgan poll, which goes back many years, shows that the majority of Australians have generally taken the view that the migrant intakes at the time have been about right or could be increased.
To be sure, there have been variations over time. Periods of rising unemployment have always been associated with declining support for immigration, for instance.
There has however been something of a structural break in attitudes to immigration over the past two or three years. According to a recent Newspoll, three-quarters of respondents favoured reducing the permanent migrant intake.
In this year’s Lowy Poll, it was revealed that there had been a 14 percentage point jump from the previous year in the proportion of respondents who agreed that “the total number of migrants coming to Australia each year is too high”. Most (54 per cent) now agree with this statement. ­Additionally, 41 per cent agree that “if Australia is too open to people from all over the world, we risk losing our identity as a nation”.
A poll conducted by Essential Research in April this year found that 54 per cent of respondents thought Australia’s population is growing too fast (only 4 per cent thought it was too slow) and 64 per cent expressed the view that the level of immigration has been too high over the past 10 years. Thirty-seven per cent thought the level of immigration was “much too high”.
The Morrison government should also take note of the fact that the views of Labor voters don’t diverge greatly from those of Coalition voters when it comes to immigration. On the question of whether the level of immigration has been too high, 62 per cent of Labor voters held this view compared with 68 per cent of Coalition voters. Labor voters were more ­inclined to think that population growth is too fast than Coalition voters — 53 per cent compared with 50 per cent.
The electoral message for the Morrison government is clear: there are Labor voters who could be swayed to change sides by promoting a distinctive and well-­defined population and immi­gration policy. It is interesting to note that in the Essential Research poll, nearly two-thirds of respondents agreed with the statement that “our cities can’t cope with further population growth and we should reduce immigration until the infrastructure is in place”.
A fundamental question arises from this depiction of changing attitudes to population growth and immigration: Why have our political leaders failed to respond, by proposing to reduce the ­migrant intake, for instance?
This question has been discussed by Katharine Betts of Swinburne University and The Australian Population Research Institute. Last year TAPRI conducted a survey of voters. In line with other poll results, it found that three-quarters of respondents thought that Australia did not need any more people. Just over half wanted a reduction in ­immigration.
But as Betts notes: “Adverse public opinion has had little ­impact on policy.” According to her, there are two reasons for this: “political pressures on policy­makers applied by the growth lobby, Treasury and the Reserve Bank, and social pressures by cultural progressives (most of them university graduates)”.
On the first reason, I have written about this in the past. We know that the Treasury holds the jaundiced view that the only thing that counts is GDP growth and the ­assumed associated growth of tax revenue. But, of course, from the point of view of living standards the measure that counts is per capita GDP growth.
We also know that the GDP fails to take into account many ­aspects of daily living that matter to people — lack of congestion, ­access to affordable housing, education and health, cultural cohesiveness and the like.
When it comes to the growth lobby, it is obvious why certain commercial groups would favour high rates of immigration — think property development, build­ing products, retailing and similar groups.
These pressures have led to some very bizarre comments from certain politicians. NSW Planning Minister Anthony Roberts, for instance, recently ­declared that there is no such thing as over­development. His solution is for recalcitrant local governments and whingeing local citizens to get over their objection to rapid population growth.
In the context of the recent policy change by NSW Premier ­Gladys Berejiklian to curb excessive population growth, these comments are extremely embarrass­ing. Just ask politicians about how many complaints they receive about overdevelopment — so many that it is simply referred to as OD.
On the social pressures applied by cultural progressives, Betts notes that the TAPRI survey found that nearly two-thirds of ­respondents thought people who question high immigration are sometimes thought of as racists.
Around one-third who agreed with this statement actually thought these sceptical people were racists, with an over­representation of graduates in this group. The other, much larger group thought the accusation was unfair “because very few of them are racists”.
The overall conclusion that Betts draws is that people she refers to as “guardians” — they maintain that those who query high migrant ­intakes are racists and want an ­increase in immigration — have a disproportionate sway in the media as well as influencing the policy positions of the political parties.
So my advice to Morrison is to get the real message. Your supporters are calling for a substantial reduction in the migrant intake. You could even pick up some Labor votes. It is not racist to be concerned about the pressures ­associated with excessive population growth. And forget half-baked proposals to send ­migrants to the regions — it will never work.
Above all, remember that the “guardians” are not your friends, even those associated with factional groups within the Liberal Party.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Mon 05 Nov 2018, 5:06 pm

Looks like Morrison is concentrating on Queensland at the moment.  Marginal seats up that way, apparently.

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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Mon 05 Nov 2018, 8:15 pm

calling his bus the Scomo Express is pretty infantile and backing Virgin on their American idea re War Veterans is pretty UnAustralian.  We aint Americans.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Tue 06 Nov 2018, 3:46 pm

Yes, "Scomo Express" sounds ridiculous. The Campaign Bus isn't a new thing.  I Googled and even Paul Keating had one back in the dim dark ages. ROFL

I gather that the thing about War Vets getting on planes or whatever has fallen flat .... Aussies do NOT think it is a great idea.  Unlike the USA we don't have a huge "Military" and unlike the USA as well, it is not somewhere kids join because they can't get work elsewhere after completing College. At least that is what some of my American pals have told me. grin
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Thu 08 Nov 2018, 6:29 pm

yes the Vets thing was Virgin's idea...  not the governments
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Mon 12 Nov 2018, 3:47 pm

Here's a place we can make immigration cuts to immediately...


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Jihadis must be tracked or deported or they’ll kill

  • Jennifer Oriel

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  • 12:00AM November 12, 2018
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Three little words stand between Islamic terrorists and Australian innocents: shoot to kill.
After Friday’s terrorist attack in Melbourne, it is clear we need more than words to protect us from the march of international jihad.
We need a moratorium on immigration from Islamist states. We need to deport jihadis and their ­Islamist sympathisers before they attack. And we need to ensure that police are trained to use lethal force as the first, not last, defence against an active terrorist.


The jihadi who killed and maimed Australians on Friday was Hassan Khalif Shire Ali. He was an immigrant from Somalia and, like many terrorists, he had a history of behaviour that alerted security and intelligence agencies.


Australian Federal Police national counter-terrorism manager Ian McCartney said Shire Ali was known to police for his radical views but was not considered a serious threat.
It is a common error to believe that people who hold jihadist views are capable of living peaceful and productive lives in a liberal democratic society. They are not.


For several years, I have written in these pages about the ideological basis of Islamist terrorism. You cannot hope to stop the violence unless you address the belief system that fuels it.
In 2015, Shire Ali’s passport was cancelled when ASIO revealed he had planned to go to Syria. At the time, Islamic State was gaining strength in Syria and Iraq. Back then I warned that Islamic State sympathisers should be deported because you cannot be a law-abiding and productive citizen of Australia if you believe in jihadism.


It is a comprehensive ideology developed by hardline Islamists. The Islamic State playbook, Management of Savagery, reveals the religious basis of jihadism and its central strategic objective to destroy freedom by destabilising nations from within. Jihadist tactics include sowing discord, creating chaos and draining the economic and protective capacity of legitimate states.


Permitting jihadist sympathisers to live in Australia poses a significant risk to our national security, economic stability and future prosperity.


Shire Ali was known to state and national terrorism authorities. Australians are asking why a man so well known to counter-terrorism authorities was allowed to roam free on the streets of Melbourne. If jihadis and their apologists cannot be deported, they should be fitted with GPS trackers to prevent them from manifesting violent ideology.


Many people also are asking about the police response to the Bourke Street terror attack.
Why did police officers attending the scene allow the jihadi to chase them and lunge at them repeatedly with a knife before shooting him? As news.com.au reported, bystanders were urging the officers to fire.
A witness called Markel told ABC Local Radio: “A lot of bystanders (were) actually just screaming at the police officers, because the police officers were trying to take the knife off him and arrest him but bystanders were yelling out: ‘Just shoot him, just shoot him.’ ”
Police have new powers to employ lethal force against terrorists but seem reluctant to use them. Victoria’s counter-terrorism laws were overhauled this year.


The Labor government said the new laws would “better protect Victorians from terror attacks”. The reforms were supposed to “clarify Victoria Police’s powers to use leth­al force in response to a life-threatening act where it may be the last opportunity to safely and effectively intervene”.
In other words, when you see a terrorist, shoot to kill. Young police officers need to be trained to understand they are duty-bound to stop an ­active terrorist by any means necessary.
Scott Morrison responded to news of the terrorist attack by saying “the greatest threat of religious extremism in this country is the radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam”. That’s right.


According to the four-stage model proposed by academic Randy Borum, the terrorist radicalisation process begins by framing an event or situation as a grievance (it’s not right), which is elevated to the category of injustice (it’s not fair).
Stage three is target attribution, where the injustice is blamed on a single entity and those associated with it (for example, the West).
The final stage is devaluation and distancing, where the identified target is devalued as evil and the terrorist in training is encouraged to distance themselves from it, providing the justification and impetus for aggression.
There should be no confusion about the Islamist belief system that drives radicalisation and culminates in an act of terrorism.
Extensive research has revealed how jihadis think and exposed their radical disrespect for Westerners and moderate Muslims alike.


The jihadi loathes Western liberal culture, its freedoms and citizens. He views the West as decadent and evil. In his mind, there is no universal humanity, only Muslim v non-Muslim. As such, he feels no obligation to the non-Muslim people of the West, our laws or culture.
Consider the words of teen­agers arrested in 2016 who were ­allegedly armed with bayonets and planned to decapitate Australians. One of them previously had abused police on film: “Whatever Allah orders me to do I’m going to do it … youse (sic) are nothing but a bunch of pigs and we are going to rule this earth by sharia.”
Or consider Sevdet Besim, who was sentenced to 10 years’ jail for planning an Anzac Day terrorist attack in Melbourne. His suicide note detailed plans to “establish jihad in Australia … to fight … those who have implemented man-made law … to defend Islam and put fear into those who are enemies to Allah and his religion”.


The jihadi’s loyalty rests not with his nation or fellow citizens but the Muslim caliphate. If Australia has a future as a liberal democracy, we must reject those who reject our way of life. The soldiers of international jihad have come to create an Islamic state on Australian soil. They have overstayed their welcome. It is time for them to go home.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Mon 12 Nov 2018, 4:43 pm

I saw Morrison interviewed by David Speers on Sky News this morning.  He mentioned Immigration (as well as the ISLAM problem).

Govt considering plan for states to set migrant rate

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Responsibility for determining the permanent migration intake could be shifted to the states and territories under a new plan reportedly being considered by the Morrison government. The proposal would see the states and territories submit their annual requirements for skilled migrants and force them to prove they had sufficient infrastructure to support migration needs, the Australian reports. While the proposal remains in its early stages of development, Cabinet is likely to approve the creation of a population taskforce as part of a broader population plan.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5860658273001

I can't find a video of the interview, probably isn't one.

Morrison was also talking about Islam and that the Imams should be telling their community to report "radicals". The majority of Muslims are "peaceful" people but they should be reporting people to the authorities when they hear murmurs of Jihad and "hate" and whatever.

Australia has Freedom of Speech and Religion, provided they go about it in a peaceful, law abiding manner.

I have had no problem with the Muslims that I have known or worked with.  Ditto Catholics, Protestants, Sikhs, Buddhists or even Quakers and Atheists. ROFL

Actually, I think Morrison was raised a Presbyterian. How he got involved with the Happy Clappers, who knows? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Thu 15 Nov 2018, 8:26 am

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  • By John Stone
  • 12:00AM November 15, 2018



I am no admirer of Scott Morrison. His duplicitous role in the dismissal of Tony Abbott — a first-term prime minister under whose leadership the Coalition had won 25 seats — was key to Malcolm Turnbull becoming prime minister and all that has since entailed.


Morrison is Prime Minister now, and unless he can lift his game over the next six months we will have a disastrous, Bill ­Shorten-led Labor government.
But it took until last Saturday for him to do or say anything that would help stave off that ­outcome, when he “told it like it is” about Melbourne’s latest Muslim extrem­ist murderer. Among all those Dis-Cons (disaffected conservatives) who, after Abbott’s sacking, deserted the Liberals, cheers rang from the rafters.

Morrison’s words were immediately attacked by not only the Australian National Imams Council but also the left media — the ABC, SBS, the Fairfax dailies, and so on. These are the would-be opinion-formers whose US equivalents President Donald Trump rightly called “enem­­ies of the people”. (More than a decade back I described the ABC as “Aust­ralia’s own Fifth Column”.)


One sensible swallow does not, however, make a politically winning summer. Welcome though this first stirring of political commo­n sense from Morrison is, much more is needed if he is to prevail.


Take the most obvious example of his present policy deficiencies. A major source of criticism of the government — and a major source of support for otherwise fringe parties such as Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, the Aust­ralian Conservatives or the Liberal Democrats — is the widespread public hostility, rising to anger, about our immigration policies.


Yet Morrison, who in February went out of his way to rubbish a thoughtful speech on the topic by Abbott, appears stubbornly reluctant to move in any way decisively on the matter. Instead, he has floated some trivial ideas, such as sending some of the permanent “settler” program intake to regional centres, or asking premiers how many in that program they would like to see allocated to their respective states. Even if they work, which they won’t, these moves merely evade the issues.


Those issues are twofold: the number of newcomers admitte­d annually is far too large; and there is increasing distress over the continued admission of people whose cultural backgrounds are incompatible with our own.


Most commentary has wrongly focused on the permanent settle­r program; but the number producing all the complaints — traffic congestion, pressure on house prices and rental accommodation, competition for jobs (in particular, with young people), downward pressure on lower-­income wages — is net overseas migration. That includes the permanent settler intake (162,400 in 2017-18), but also the refugee and humanitarian program (16,250) and the net movement in and out of all the temporary visa holders — student­s, backpackers, ­working holidaymakers, “guest” workers and so on. In the year ended March 31, net overseas migration amounted to 236,800. We could, and should, cut back the permanent settler program by 60,000 (say) and the net figure would still be too high.


The second issue, however, is where Morrison could really score massively over Labor had he the will to do so. I have written previously about the chuckleheaded nonsense that underlies our “non-discriminatory” immig­ration policy. If Morrison were prepared to say that Australia will continue to be non-discriminatory on racial or ethnic grounds, but will henceforth reject all permanen­t visa applicants judged to be culturally incompatible with our Australian way of life, he would enormously enhance his electoral prospects next year.


That’s precisely why such an announcement would be met with a storm of lefty protest; and the more Morrison stood up unmove­d against that storm, the higher his stocks would rise.
These are large decisions, so the sooner Morrison gets around to addressing them, the better. Meanwhile, he must soon make what should be an easy decision, namely that Australia will not be signing up to the UN Global Compact for Migration and will not, accordingly, send a delegation to the meeting for that purpose in Morocco on December 10.
John Stone is a former secretary to the Treasury and former National Party Senate leader.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Thu 15 Nov 2018, 11:41 am

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If Morrison were prepared to say that Australia will continue to be non-discriminatory on racial or ethnic grounds, but will henceforth reject all permanen­t visa applicants judged to be culturally incompatible with our Australian way of life, he would enormously enhance his electoral prospects next year.

That would help, but if he wants all of us "dis-cons" conservatives back he is going to have to do a lot more than just that.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Thu 15 Nov 2018, 4:37 pm

Well Stone suggested more than 1 thing to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Wed 21 Nov 2018, 3:48 pm

Coalition might make an issue of immigration yet

  • Judith Sloan

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Let’s face it, over the past several years, I have written a zillion words arguing for a reduction in the migrant intake. And to date, no one in the Coalition government has taken the least notice of any of my arguments.
To be sure, there has been the rather ridiculous argument made by the government that while the annual cap on permanent migrants has remained at 190,000, the actual number is more like 162,000. If 162,000 is a better number, why not make that the cap? Or why not make the cap lower still?
On Monday night, Scott Morrison delivered the Bradfield Oration. It was replete with close-to-meaningless homilies about cities and infrastructure.

Unlike other treasurers, Morrison never developed any economic understanding during his term in that office. He still makes unsubstantiated assertions about the economic value of immigration, even though the real story is extremely nuanced.
If there are benefits, they are long-term, and there are winners and losers.
But it may be that the Morrison government is beginning to get it. “Population growth has played a key role in our economic success. But I also know Australians in our biggest cities are concerned about population. They are saying: enough, enough, enough. The roads are clogged, the buses and trains are full. The schools are taking no more enrolments. I hear what you are saying. I hear you loud and clear.”
I wonder how loud and clear he is hearing these complaints. A reduction of 30,000 in the cap will do virtually nothing unless the expectation is that the actual number will come in closer to 130,000.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has given the federal government some space to canvass various options. It would be a tragedy if all that is proposed is a largely meaningless cut to the annual permanent intake.
A much more radical and comprehensive assessment of the immigration program must be made to effect a number of changes and not just in terms of the planning numbers. There are multiple rorts in the system of which the Department of Home Affairs is very aware. These must be dealt with.
Far too many international students, particularly those undertaking bogus vocational education courses, are purely motivated by working in the short term (and being potentially mistreated to boot) and then seeking permanent residence. There is also no case for a universal visa for international students who have graduated to stay in the country — this should be revised immediately.
Within the permanent migrant intake, many of the skilled applicants are not really skilled at all. And employers find it far too easy to import overseas workers rather than recruit and train workers locally. There is also the important issue of the declining English-language skills among new migrants.
If the Morrison government is prepared to significantly adjust the immigration program in terms of both numbers and regulation, this will place considerable pressure on Labor either to follow suit or stick with the status quo. It could actually be game on, politically speaking.
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Wed 21 Nov 2018, 4:04 pm

Maybe, just maybe, Morrison is listening to the constituents!

It will be interesting to see how he handles the Muslims' whining.

I think that we should take a good look at Immigration and STOP importing from the ME and Africa! Yes, we need immigration but we do NOT need to import any more of that lot. Surely, if we need people with qualifications we should be looking at Europe, UK and USA?
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PostSubject: Re: Cut Immigration NOW.   Wed 21 Nov 2018, 8:01 pm

No he's not....  he's addressing the media, but still being Turnbull-lite.
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